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Post by Jim on Feb 11, 2009 11:13:48 GMT -5
No law has been so misused to subvert the rights of any class of people since slavery. The minority radical feminists and their allies have wreaked havoc on families and children for the emotional and financial self-interests of women. Essentially this law is an illegal law becuase it takes away liberty and property without due process (as required under the 5th amendment). NO judges will not admit this becuase they think anything they say and do counts as "due process" but any rational, informed person must disagree. An ex=parte hearing with the accused present and being able to question the witness is clearly lack of due process according to the U.S. Supreme court .
A person seeking a restraining order from a court can tell a judge about fear of "abuse" in a vague manner, with no chance for the defendant to respond, with no presentation of evidence, and with no test to see if the claim is true. The court will almost always then issue an order - an order which costs the other family member the loss of everything that is important - children, home, possessions, guns, (and often a lot more) forever. Fathers who are accused of "causing fear" do not even have the protection of criminals accused of murder. We would never allow a criminal defendant to suffer such penalties without preserving all of his constitutional protections, yet we give a restraining order defendant almost no due process at all.
Until the restraining order is law is changed, thousands more outrageous cases like the ones set forth here will keep happening. Most allegations of abuse are false, and simply giving out orders on a whim must stop, and soon. The few legitimate cases of genuine abuse can handled with existing laws, and without suspending the Constitution. For each case of real abuse, many families are destroyed needlessly. The law must be amended so that only those who commit provable, genuine abuse are affected, and so that minor arguments in families, or divorce related revenge, can no longer result in a restraining order and its inevitable destruction.
Restraining orders are the most egregious abuse of authority by government since Nazi Germany. Fight them, file appeals, demand your rights to your children, home, property and income. They are just a way of hijacking a man's rights and estate without due process 90% of the time. In fact this abuse probably take away real protection from the 0.5% of men and women that really need it as this is crying wolf in the vast majority of cases today.
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Post by FathersFitness on Apr 23, 2009 15:42:33 GMT -5
We will get them sooner than they think. They can't keep breaking the law. What they are doing is criminal.
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Post by longhorn4real on Apr 29, 2009 23:00:53 GMT -5
restraining orders are an abuse of power, especially when the husband works works so hard and at the end the wife is the one with no moral values and sheets on him, then when every body in the neighborhood sees the injustice and nobody acts in favor of the husband but backs out becouse they do not want to get involve, the police just takes you in and the adulterer gets the free pass to see the wife at will, and try to even still your kids by been "nice" to them.
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Post by Jim on Apr 30, 2009 11:01:15 GMT -5
The sad thing is the courts hand these restraining orders out like candy and so many forget about what this abuse of power does to the children that are separated from a parent, and extended family members where great love is involved and being eliminated from them.
Of Course some times these protective orders are necessary, but there are many of these done through the courts without any true findings of domestic violence and it becomes and instant elimination of a parent and other family members through a vindictive, hateful, and cruel action. This is one of the most serious areas in family law that needs to be tweaked to eliminate the unconstitutional crime of not allowing due process, and also there are no repercussions for the people that file these falsely.......they just are allowed to walk away.
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Post by VisitorDad on May 1, 2009 8:01:31 GMT -5
I know a few that have been totally abused by these restraining orders and the easy availabilty of obtaining one. I have one friend that was out of state when the ex filed one on him and he proved he was out of state the day the DV was claimed to take place and they still put a RO on him, it was unreal and he hasn't seen his children in years. The abuse of these laws is sad and unconstitutional.
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Post by chalcedony on May 1, 2009 20:47:44 GMT -5
Restraining Orders are only a part of the abuse against parents and USA citizens being perpetrated by our government, of both political parties. We had rights, we had a Constitution and Bill of Rights, but the politicians are stealing the ones we have left and leaving us with nothing. Read history. I don't want a 'revolution' but I sure don't want what I see happening all around the world with regard to parents and children and working class people. I pray for my country, the world, and the judges, lawmakers, heads of state and advisors and most of all for us and our children, whose lives have been ripped apart by the state. www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_janissaries.htmlThere is a lot that isn't said in that article, those children were the best and the brightest their country had, taken, castrated and made to work for the enemy. 10 years of brainwashing/training- how long have they had YOUR children? Mine don't want to come home anymore. |
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Post by Chrem88 on May 1, 2009 21:31:20 GMT -5
O i can agree with all of the people above,Hell my got MY WIFE got one claiming i was a danger to her and the kids.Cause i have anger disorder.Then here is the kicker.The judge gave both of us shared custody and then 30 days later without notify me that he did a amendment and gave her temp custody.Now she is using it to keep me from speaking to my kids and when i called the courts to see what can be done so i can call my kids and not go to jail,They will not assist me AT ALL.So Ro is just one more way for legal systems to abuse their powers to me
Sorry for the rant
Chris
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Post by Jim on May 2, 2009 7:57:54 GMT -5
O i can agree with all of the people above,Hell my got MY WIFE got one claiming i was a danger to her and the kids.Cause i have anger disorder.Then here is the kicker.The judge gave both of us shared custody and then 30 days later without notify me that he did a amendment and gave her temp custody.Now she is using it to keep me from speaking to my kids and when i called the courts to see what can be done so i can call my kids and not go to jail,They will not assist me AT ALL.So Ro is just one more way for legal systems to abuse their powers to me Sorry for the rant Chris Your not ranting, your just telling the truth. Calling the courts wont get you anywhere. You'll be lucky if you can ever find an attorney to actually care enough to do the right thing in a timely manner, rather they delay and cause you all kinds of BS to drain your finances and assetts. The best thing I have learned over the years is to study everything and learn the system and get involved with others who have been through and going through this stuff to learn what is truely happening. Get involved with sites like this and others that are active with parental and children's rights and absorb all the info you can. This is a severe worldwide family rights issue and it will not change over nite. There's huge money involved and money is power, read Stephen Baskervilles book taken into custody and be ready to have your mind opened up to the largest and most profitable business against the family and children in human history. We must get involved where the money is and start changing this crap on a legislative level. There are plenty of GOOD laws on the books, it is just getting these courts to follow them! There are many bad laws on the books, it is just to get lawmakers to change them. When billions are being made from these laws either if there good or bad, it is hard to change them. Money talks! |
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Post by VisitorDad on May 2, 2009 12:00:07 GMT -5
Everybody that is involved in any way in this system, or knows anyone involved in this system should read Baskervilles book. It is the best and most truthful book out there on the subject of the divorce industry and what is truely happening to families, parents, and children.
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Post by Kendog on May 11, 2009 15:34:56 GMT -5
I find it so hard to believe yet here I am without my home or possessions or the ability to contact my child with out a new warrant for my arrest being issued. How can they do this ,when the judge blatantly refused my evidence and I responded to her every accusation with facts to support my defense! Here calmly said there is violence here, this when in fact He misquoted the material and never even made her swear in to the record her
name or even a single question of her. This after my false charges of DV were dropped when I demanded her presence at my trial! I called 911 on11/11/07 and requested there assistence to what I felt was domestic violence, they refused to help and hung up on me. The very next day she started pounding her own face in and I called them once again. Liz beat her own eye in and they came and put me in jail and refused to take pictures of my hands at the scene. Now I have nothing and all my tools are gone the locks changed and another guy in my home and I can't go back and they refused to arrest her for malicious mischief in regards to my personal affects being discarded out side and my rigs ars stripped of there body pieces and the police and prosecutor refuse to arrest her. And the bar association has fpound no un ethical behavior on the part of Mr, Scott Stewart of Stevens County Wa. The judge that granted the most recent renewal of the protection or is still being investigated but that fact remains I have lost all my rights to everything and my daughter thinks I am a women beating bastard and wants nothing to do with me. What can possibly change the current system!
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Post by Jim on May 11, 2009 16:51:03 GMT -5
Sounds like a massive misscarriage of justice, you have been shafted.
Contact member Harrison of this forum by sending him a personal message. He is in Washington State and may know someone that might be able to help you one way or another. he may be able to point you in the right direction. I'll email him also and tell him about this post of yours.
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Post by Harrison on May 12, 2009 15:05:58 GMT -5
Kendog, I would be happy to help you. In my experience appealing out of family and/or district court is step 1. I'm sure the commissioners and judges at that level wouldn't know procedure if they put milk on it and had it for breakfast that morning. As far as the law, RCW are letters not in their alphabet.
I'm on the other side of the mountains in Mason Co. Framedfather has my address just let me know what you need! Harrison
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Post by TwinsByTracy on Jun 7, 2009 1:57:40 GMT -5
Our legal system is so corrupt. Fraud Upon the Court! The eighth judicial district court in las Vegas, Family Division. is so corrupt. My case will be one of those cases a statue is based on and in the media. I will get back on and tell you about it sometime soon, you will be disgusted.  If a judge is disqualified for fraud upon the court, isn't the action voided or can it be given to a new judge who also commits fraud upon the court? |
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If a judge is disqualified for fraud upon the court, isn't the action voided or can it be given to a new judge who also commits fraud upon the court?