How to Argue with Judges ...

[Jim]

Arguing with judges is like arguing with baseball umpires.
You better know the rules AND HOW TO USE THEM!

Did you know every major league baseball park has its own "Ground Rules", and there are "Universal Ground Rules" that apply to all major league parks?

Here are a few rules from the Official MLB Rulebook:
A player is not permitted to step or go into a dugout to make a catch.
A player is permitted to reach into a dugout to make a catch.
If a player makes a catch outside the dugout and his momentum carries him into the dugout, the catch is allowed as long as the player does not fall in the dugout.

Seems simple enough, doesn't it?
But, what if the players or the coach don't know the rules? What happens then? Will it do any good at all to argue with the umpire?
Probably not!

And all the %#$@&* will only get you thrown out of the park and possibly grounded for the season!

To argue successfully with a baseball umpire or a judge in a lawsuit, you must know how to use the rules!

Knowing the rules is not enough.

You must know how to use the rules!

It's the bottom of the ninth. Two down. Batter at the plate. The count is three and two. The batter pops a high foul. You push back your catcher's mask and dash toward the dugout to make the catch. The ball hits your glove and at that precise instant you trip on the rim of the dugout and fall in. You scramble to your feet, climb out of the dugout, ball in your upraised hand and triumphant grin on your face. Teammates cheer. Fans roar fanatic approval from the stands.

But, the scornful look on the umpire's face and his raspy voice quickly erase your victorious joy.

"Foul Ball!"
Not an out?
"But, I caught the ball, ump!"

The player strides purposely toward the umpire, waving a fist, yelling obscenities, and spitting (of course).

Fast behind is the coach, marching menacingly toward the umpire, cap shoved back, both fists in the air, also shouting nasties and accusing the umpire of needing a new pair of glasses.
The umpire stands firmly behind the plate, hands planted on his hips, and waits for the verbal onslaught.

"I caught the foul ball. It's an out!"
"It's a foul ball. Period!" the umpire insists.

"You must be blind, Ump! It's an out! Game's over. We win! Didn't you see me catch the ball? Jeeter couldn't do any better!"
"Maybe not," the umpire insists, "but Jeeter knows the ground rules! You fell in the dugout. Catch doesn't count. Get back behind the plate where you belong!"

"But. But. But." you know "But" doesn't count!

Claiming you're pro se and should therefore be allowed to play by different rules doesn't count!

Either know how to use the rules or lose!

Sending emails to your friends after you lose or posting hateful comments on the internet complaining our courts are "all corrupt" just marks you as a loser.

Learn how to use the official rules ... or lose.

It might be the "play of the season" to you. You might show up with all kinds of documents and things you think are "admissible evidence". You might know the law of the case is on your side.

But!
If you don't know how to use the rules of evidence and the rules of procedure to argue effectively with the judge ... you lose!

The Rules RULE!
End of story!

Only fools believe otherwise!
Winners know how to use the rules effectively!

[Harrison]

It's been my experience that it does little or no good to argue or even point out the law to the commissioners in family court. The law or common sense has no place in "their court room". I've had at least some success appealing to superior court, but that in no way means that a real judge has any idea of what the law is, and you still have to file your argument in full and be ready with and use objections. And show your work, put the statue or case numbers in were they apply, most judges HATE when you have to recite law in open court to them because they don't know the law, but if the judge comes to court unprepared you may have to point out that RCW 26.###.## as shown in your filed paper says..........
IT's a crap shoot! I wish I had the time to sit in the court and count how many state and federal laws are broken by judges just doing their jobs

[Jim]

Sometimes we may get lucky though and the legal situation at hand may catch the judge's attemtion and he or she may realize that you will actually appeal and the judge will reconsider the path that he is on and rule more accordingly.......thinking that he or she does not want to look like a complete idiot to the appeals court.
Your right though Harrison, most often they just do not care either way and within their (judges) minds, they know they will not ever be held accountable regardless........
It's definantly a crap shoot, but we must try everything we can to hopefully lessen some of the damage being done to us.